That's why all children should be born girls

It is my guess that your quote if from Pride and Predjudice. I haven't read it but I know a little about the premise and given that the movie just came out - that is my guess. It is on my list to read soon.

I want to know which people are openly talking about their salaries. Before Vernal quit her job she was paid quite well and she did a good job. She got paid more than me. My office seems to be very forward thinking - we recycle everything! There are some women in high positions and I can't imagine them getting jerked around on their salary. I sure it still happens at places with the old boys club mentality, but it seems those places are dying out.

I have heard imogen heap and have been interested in getting her cd. Is the rest of the album good? I have heard hide and seek.

Can you explain what is so great about eprops? If you really want to whole world to know what you are listening to as you write your blog, you could always add an "NP-xxxxxxxx" at the bottom of your post.
 

Some of this is me playing devil's advocate. Please forgive me if I go too far (I don't think I do).

Golden (my wife) once worked in a place where the main boss seemed to favor the men. That office was far from the norm, though, in my experience. Quite frankly, that office always seemed one step from a harassment lawsuit. I encouraged her to keep track of the grievances against the company, but she found another job before long and got out of that mess.

Like Forrest I haven't seen much sexual discrimination in the business world in my limited time. I have worked in six or seven offices in the past five years, so I have been around a bit. If anything I have seen more women get promotions than men per capita. I work in IT and there simply aren't as many women who apply for those jobs, so there are more men in those jobs. Even with the statistical offset, I have had several bosses that were women.

I don't ever know exactly what a coworker makes, but in all the offices where I worked salaries have been overseen by the HR department. I can't remember the last time I worked for a company with a male HR director so pay discrepencies would be difficult to go by unnoticed.

One thing that I have noticed, though, is that more women (not all women) are willing to take a lower paying job that they enjoy because of the work, environment, flexible schedule, etc, and more men are willing to take a higher paying job even if it is an otherwise crappy position. This isn't always the case but it happens enough to skew the statistics a bit. More women also leave the workforce to take care of kids as well. That impacts the stats because a lot of the women who are qualified to be making more money due to experience are not making that money.

I do think there are places that do discriminate, and there are misogynistic bosses out there. Golden couldn't have found the only one. They are the exception to the rule, though.

I said that to say this. If pay is a top priority for you I don't think that you will find problems getting payed the same or better than the boys. If you do find that you are discriminated against get a paper trail and take it to HR.
 

Oh, I'll vote with Forrest on Pride and Predjudice, but that's only because I don't recognize the quote. :)
 

yeah. I'm not one of those people that's completely concerned with money, I want to go into education. (If I was really wanting to be rich, I would have stuck with psychology...) And I think society is changing. women used to make only 63 cents to the dollar. but it bothers me.... good thing you guys aren't seeing the sexism in your jobs, and I know they don't have this problem much with teaching since it's a government thing, and they regulate all the salaries. (it's funny because the advisors already told me what I'll be making when I graduate...)

oohhh and even though I still think it exists I don't think you went too far.

and forrest: the cd is really good, the headlock song is good too (#1).
 

However little known the feelings or views of such a man may be on his first entering a neighbourhood, this truth is so well fixed in the minds of the surrounding families, that he is considered as the rightful property of some one or other of their daughters.
 

Yeah, I think the more regulation you see the less that sort of thing happens. There is one place where this issue may be more extreme--small businesses. The problem that Golden had was that she worked for a company that had fifteen employees and her boss was the owner. His men-first mindset was the mentality of company leadership.
 

Here is what really ticked me off. A woman co-worker friend of mine was filling in for a sales/customer service position for several months. They still paid her the $10/hr for being a receptionist. They hire a man right out of college for the position and pay him $45,000/yr! She did an awesome job! I guess because she didn't have a degree they didn't offer her the job or give her a pay increase for the extra job tasks. Because I worked in Accounting, I ran across a bill for Blue Cross that had everyone's monthly salary. That is how I knew he made $45,000.
 

You also have to take what your teacher says with a grain of salt. They have surveys and polls that can get you any result you want to back the agenda you are pushing.

I am not saying that it doesn't exist, but in todays enviroment most employers are very sensitive/scared of gender discrimination. So in the big corporations, I highly doubt they are trying to pull a quick one on women.

Other factors to consider is salary negotiation. All companies want to pay the least amount possible for highly productive people. You may ask for $40g when they would have taken you for $45g. They are not going to tip that knowledge to you, but you need to do research to find a competitive salary range.

Our office has several women who work part-time, which is a very turn of the century pro-woman idea. These women have kids and working part time still allows them to be mom. From the business side of things this could be very ineffective for having someone who is not always present to answer questions about their project. Our clients don't take part time. I don't know how they are paid, but maybe it is lower, because they can't take on the responsibility that a full time person has and so their salary may reflect that. But it is very fair to the person who wants to work and also have somewhat of a home life.

Situations like that may affect the salary comparison in a negative light yet it is a very positive to the woman who is allowed to work part time.
 

The good (and bad) thing about being a teacher is that salary is bases completely on experience and education, not performance reviews or politics. You can go to any districts website and see the exact salary schedule for the teachers.

My friend works in sales. She notices the gender issue more in her field. The guys get more passes when work isn't completed in a timely manner, and they get better lists of clients.

But as Forrest said, women are starting to have more advantages in regards to having jobs that allow them to balance work and family.

I gave up a job making great money just so I could take a job paying me 1/2 as much, but I got to be with my daughter more...